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All Sheep and Lamb Discussion / Re: Anybody out there?
« on: October 24, 2020, 03:23:10 pm »
I see that (not much traffic.... that is a shame). Good forums / message boards like this are hard to find.
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All Sheep and Lamb Discussion / Re: Anybody out there?
« on: October 06, 2020, 08:54:24 am »
I see 10 of you. Ok, this was a very useful site. Let me phoe a question for you to reply (no incorrect answers):
What kind and how much roughage do you feed? And how much? That could be hay, pasture, combination of both. Or, maybe it’s a bagged source of roughage.
Just interested in the diversity of feeding sheep.
What kind and how much roughage do you feed? And how much? That could be hay, pasture, combination of both. Or, maybe it’s a bagged source of roughage.
Just interested in the diversity of feeding sheep.
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All Sheep and Lamb Discussion / Anybody out there?
« on: October 02, 2020, 10:23:45 am »
Hello..hello..hello..
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All Sheep and Lamb Discussion / Free Clinic June 27th El Reno, OK
« on: June 16, 2017, 11:11:07 am »
Free clinic.
Canadian County Fairgrounds. El Reno, OK
June 27th
Registration at 8 - 8:30
Lunch provided
Lambs
Pigs
Goats
Cattle
Door prizes.
You are invited by Purina Honor Show Chow
Canadian County Fairgrounds. El Reno, OK
June 27th
Registration at 8 - 8:30
Lunch provided
Lambs
Pigs
Goats
Cattle
Door prizes.
You are invited by Purina Honor Show Chow
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All Sheep and Lamb Discussion / Re: Hard Tops/Toplines
« on: March 30, 2017, 11:43:51 am »
My two cents: (full disclosure as well I'm the nutritionist that formulated the Honor Show Chow and High Octane products).
Now, nutrition can help greatly. But think about the lamb's top or any Show species for that matter. The lamb's top is composed of the rack and loin. Two large (hope they are large) run from the back of the shoulder to the hip or rump. One on each side of the spine. This is the LD or Longisimus dorsi muscle. It is used for support not locomotion, and therefore difficult to target with exercise. That's why this area of the carcass is the highest priced cuts. And why judges put a premium on this area (at least ones that know what they are doing).
A dog track helps some, so does a reverse treadmill. But nutrition can help even more. We (Purina) have two products designed to help. High Octane Champion Drive and High Octane Fitter 35. Now, they help with muscle in other areas as well but you will see more difference in the top (volume of muscle and shape). Champion Drive is fat cover neutral while Fitter 35 burns fat (a slow burn it won't crash your lambs. Normal feeding rate is 8 oz per day for Champion Drive and 8 to 12 oz per day for Fitter 35. They do work.
Now, nutrition can help greatly. But think about the lamb's top or any Show species for that matter. The lamb's top is composed of the rack and loin. Two large (hope they are large) run from the back of the shoulder to the hip or rump. One on each side of the spine. This is the LD or Longisimus dorsi muscle. It is used for support not locomotion, and therefore difficult to target with exercise. That's why this area of the carcass is the highest priced cuts. And why judges put a premium on this area (at least ones that know what they are doing).
A dog track helps some, so does a reverse treadmill. But nutrition can help even more. We (Purina) have two products designed to help. High Octane Champion Drive and High Octane Fitter 35. Now, they help with muscle in other areas as well but you will see more difference in the top (volume of muscle and shape). Champion Drive is fat cover neutral while Fitter 35 burns fat (a slow burn it won't crash your lambs. Normal feeding rate is 8 oz per day for Champion Drive and 8 to 12 oz per day for Fitter 35. They do work.
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All Sheep and Lamb Discussion / Re: Washedout top
« on: August 24, 2016, 12:49:29 pm »
2 lb per day isn't much feed depending upon the size of the lamb. What are you feeding 2 lb per of (feed, supplement)
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All Sheep and Lamb Discussion / Re: Creep feed
« on: January 05, 2016, 07:37:31 am »
Long story short, is that there is no problem with a creep feed with 5% crude fat if it is properly formulated. If fed ad libitum (self fed) to older nursing lambs (10 weeks plus) that really begin to eat large amounts, you can see soft stools.
At that time if you do not want to wean the lambs, then my suggestion is to hand feed in the creep feeder twice per day. A 75 lbs plus lamb does not need to be self fed. Just my opinion.
Again, EXP is safe. As well as our Showlamb Creep Pellet DX (20% protein creep) ... it has contains 5% crude fat for several years.
At that time if you do not want to wean the lambs, then my suggestion is to hand feed in the creep feeder twice per day. A 75 lbs plus lamb does not need to be self fed. Just my opinion.
Again, EXP is safe. As well as our Showlamb Creep Pellet DX (20% protein creep) ... it has contains 5% crude fat for several years.
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All Sheep and Lamb Discussion / Re: Creep feed
« on: December 30, 2015, 10:04:50 am »
Shane:
For pre-ruminant lambs (under 45 days old or so) fat is the best choice in my opinion. Fat deposition at an age prior to maturity comes from energy left over after meeting maintenance and then production requirements. Again, in my opinion there is no other way to do that in fast growing young lambs than fat in the diet.
For pre-ruminant lambs (under 45 days old or so) fat is the best choice in my opinion. Fat deposition at an age prior to maturity comes from energy left over after meeting maintenance and then production requirements. Again, in my opinion there is no other way to do that in fast growing young lambs than fat in the diet.
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All Sheep and Lamb Discussion / Re: Creep feed
« on: December 28, 2015, 09:50:57 am »
Also the high vs lower protein thing; my view is that in most quality wether type sheep today muscle is not the limiting factor. It's bred into them. They just need more energy (calories) to fuel not only fat cover and growth but lean tissue synthesis (muscle) as well. For sheep that are naturally easier doing like Southdowns etc... A higher protein creep and growing feed makes more sense. And for those sheep that need help with muscle.
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All Sheep and Lamb Discussion / Re: Creep feed
« on: December 28, 2015, 09:44:10 am »
I believe the feed going to Sioux Falls is made at Clarence, IA and would have a little freight involved. It works as both a creep or a growing/developing feed. You are right about fat on lambs. A lot of folks cannot project a green lamb and visualize what it could be. So, making the lamb fatter helps them do that.
For reviews on EXP, climb lamb breeders really like it. Very palatable (more so than even the 20% HSC Showlamb Creep). Lambs do well on it and it makes a difference in their appearance.
For reviews on EXP, climb lamb breeders really like it. Very palatable (more so than even the 20% HSC Showlamb Creep). Lambs do well on it and it makes a difference in their appearance.
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All Sheep and Lamb Discussion / Re: Creep feed
« on: December 26, 2015, 08:43:06 pm »
I think that was back when corn was near !8 / bu. Shouldn't be near that now. And it's intended as a creep feed not necessarily for kids that have 1 or two lambs (although their lambs wil certainly do well on it).
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All Sheep and Lamb Discussion / Bogus Facebook post
« on: December 11, 2015, 05:38:33 am »
If you have seen and or become alarmed by a post on Facebook in the past couple days, do not worry. Someone erroneously and mistakenly (I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt) posted a feed recall notice from the FDA for Honor Show Chow. This recall was in 2014. It involved a small batch of feed made in Little Chute, Wisconsin on March 20, 2014.
There is NO feed recall involving HSC Showlamb feeds to worry about now. This person did so with good intentions, but he was wrong (2014). So please do not worry. Feed with confidence. If you have questions or comments or if I can help you , you can contact me at kburg@landolakes.com or kgburgoon@landolakes.com either will work.
There is NO feed recall involving HSC Showlamb feeds to worry about now. This person did so with good intentions, but he was wrong (2014). So please do not worry. Feed with confidence. If you have questions or comments or if I can help you , you can contact me at kburg@landolakes.com or kgburgoon@landolakes.com either will work.
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All Sheep and Lamb Discussion / Re: Purina feed expert
« on: December 11, 2015, 05:23:36 am »
Yes it's kgb on this forum (message board) was Feedguy on the old site.. How can I help you.
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All Sheep and Lamb Discussion / Re: Copper in feed
« on: October 25, 2015, 09:56:26 am »
Just for information in the future. It's really not the copper from corn, soybean meal, etc... That is the problem. It's the added copper. Look at the ingredient panel. If it lists copper sulfate, copper tribasic, copper lysine, copper proteinate, or any other form of copper my suggestion is to NOT feed it to sheep, regardless of the copper nutrient guarantee.
And by the way, we (feed companies) are not required to gaurantee copper on the tag in most states.
And by the way, we (feed companies) are not required to gaurantee copper on the tag in most states.
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All Sheep and Lamb Discussion / Re: How do I figure percent protein in feed?
« on: September 26, 2015, 08:41:16 am »
To do what you want (calculate the % protein of a specific mix) multiply the % protein by the % of the ingredient (amount in feed). Do this for each ingredient and then add them together ... Simple.
It is called a "weighted average".
It is called a "weighted average".
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