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All Sheep and Lamb Discussion / Prohibit Wormer On Sale 11/26
« on: November 23, 2016, 02:02:47 am »
If you are looking for a good deal on Prohibit Wormer 52gm powder, Jefferspet has it on sale on Saturday 11/26 for $22.49 each with Buy 3, Get 1 Free.  Shipping will be free.  They only have 150 packets available.
https://www.jefferspet.com/products/12-days-of-christmas-prohibit-levisole-powder-52-g 

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All Sheep and Lamb Discussion / Baby Laughs Like a Sheep!
« on: September 13, 2016, 04:11:09 pm »
Thought you might enjoy this video of a baby that sounds like a sheep when he laughs!  Really Cute!

https://www.facebook.com/uniladmag/videos/2377617445594634/

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All Sheep and Lamb Discussion / Vaginal AI
« on: August 21, 2016, 02:04:57 pm »
We attended a Goat Day yesterday.  We wanted to learn more about the species and felt this would be an excellent introduction.

One of the workshops was AI.  The person who conducted this workshop spoke about LAI as well as Vaginal AI.  He said he has a success rate similar to that of LAI when inseminating vaginally. 

Have any of you had experience with this method and what has your success rate been? 

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All Sheep and Lamb Discussion / Roached Back
« on: August 18, 2016, 12:56:50 pm »
I've read the other posts on lambs that roach their back when braced but my lamb doesn't fit into this group.  I have a 7 month old lamb that developed a severely roached back about a week ago.  He is roached constantly.  He walks, runs and eats normally and nothing indicates that he was injured.  He acts no differently than he did a week ago, just that he has an extreme roach to his back. 

I find this very odd and was curious if anyone knows why this change occurred.  He's not a show lamb and will be going to the sale yard probably tomorrow.

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All Sheep and Lamb Discussion / Wobbly Lamb
« on: July 20, 2016, 06:26:45 pm »
I have a 4 month old lamb that walks like he's drunk.  This started over a month ago and has gotten progressively worse.  He has a great appetite and travels everywhere with the rest of the lambs.  He doesn't have any problems getting up after laying down but if he gets knocked over, which happens frequently because he's always underfoot, he struggles to get up and thrashes.  If I roll him onto his belly, he'll get right up. 

I raised him on a bottle because he couldn't stand for the first three day.  After three days he was able to get up and walk without any issues.  This wobbly stuff just came about recently.

Any thoughts as to what might be wrong?

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I don't like to leave things to chance nor do I like to assume anything, for obvious reasons.  Is the Sullivan's Show Sheep Paste okay to use on a market lamb?  I worry whether it will show up in a test.  We have a boy that is showing for the first time and his lamb is jumpy.  We've spent a good amount of time handling the lamb and he is very friendly.  Touch him and he launches to the moon.  If this will help calm him and assist the boy in keeping him under control then I'd like to be able to use it as long as it doesn't show up in a test.

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All Sheep and Lamb Discussion / Showing Multiple Sheep In One Class
« on: July 05, 2016, 06:34:00 pm »
Just wondering what is the proper way to show multiple animals in one class.  My daughter has a ewe and her two lambs going into a class together tomorrow.  Should she show the dam, the lambs or set up the group and let her helpers hold the sheep?

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All Sheep and Lamb Discussion / Rectal Prolapse
« on: June 17, 2016, 06:32:12 pm »
Has anyone used rectal prolapse rings?  It's a notched tube that you insert into the rectum.  You place an elastrator ring over protruding rectum and it cuts off the circulation to the tissue.  When the tissue dies the band, tissue and tube slough off.  I've seen them used on pigs by Dr. Pol but haven't seen them used on sheep.

https://www.enasco.com/product/C30527N   The local Nasco store sell them as singles so I don't have to buy a 12 pack.

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All Sheep and Lamb Discussion / Southdown or Dorset
« on: June 09, 2016, 11:21:00 pm »
Many years ago we had a small flock of registered Montadales along with our blackface flock.  While the registered Monts are all gone, we have a few lambs born here and there that have a bit of white on the cheeks or legs.  We'd like to bring a bit of white back to our flock.

I don't see much in the way of Montadales around anymore, perhaps the lack of shag?  So the choice seems to be Dorset and Southdown.  Is one preferable to another.  Also, what is the difference between Dorset and Dorset Advantage?

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All Sheep and Lamb Discussion / How Long Can CIDRS Be Left In?
« on: May 10, 2016, 08:30:05 pm »
How long can a cidr be left in?  I have ewes to cidr tomorrow for one clinic and another two ewes to cidr on saturday for a clinic two weeks later.  Can I cidr all of the ewes tomorrow?  Will the extra few days have a negative effect?  Having just had carpal tunnel surgery, I'd prefer to limit my pain to one experience.

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All Sheep and Lamb Discussion / CIDRS & Pregnancy Tests
« on: May 10, 2016, 08:22:50 pm »
I have a question about pregnancy tests and cidrs.  I have to cidr ewes tomorrow.  I have one that might be pregnant.  She aborted her lamb about 3 months ago and has been running with a ram.  Now I can't draw blood for a pregnancy test tomorrow because I had carpal tunnel surgery yesterday and lack the strength and dexterity needed to draw and control the ewe, but I can draw it next week.  (Blood needs to be in on Wednesdays).  I know that putting a cider in a pregnant ewe won't hurt the pregnancy but will it change the out come of the pregnancy test?  I don't want to abort her when I give her lute and I don't want to pay for LAI on a pregnant ewe. 

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All Sheep and Lamb Discussion / Recurring Cough
« on: April 22, 2016, 01:37:29 pm »
We have a very nice LAI ewe lamb that was born in October.  At about a month of age (Nov) she developed a cough.  I treated her with Nuflor.  In December the cough came back.  I treated her again.  In January the cough returned once again.  I treated her with Nuflor with two injections 48 hours apart.  A week later she was still coughing so I gave her Nuflor 6cc sq for 3 consecutive days.  The coughing stopped but has now returned.

She shares a pen with her twin and two other October lambs.  All four lambs are the same size.  She is otherwise healthy and eating great.  No nasal discharge or other breathing problems.  There is not a dust problem with either their pen or the feed and the feed is not moldy.

Should I just continue to treat with Nuflor?  Any thoughts? 

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Tractor Supply & Del's Stores is having Spring Clover Days.  This event collects donations at the register to support Local, State and National 4-H.  The event runs thru Sunday April 24th.  Donations are tax deductible and will show up on your store receipt. 

If you are a 4-H member or leader, I encourage you to contact your local store and set up a time that you can volunteer.  The time spent will give you credit in your record book, give you valuable experience in public speaking and benefit your county 4-H.

You can bring your projects to display at the store.  It is an excellent opportunity to educate the public to the benefits of 4-H.  It is surprising how many people think that 4-H is limited to livestock.  This a good chance to share all that 4-H is!

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All Sheep and Lamb Discussion / Feeding Ewes at Weaning
« on: April 14, 2016, 09:39:41 pm »
I was looking at Pipestone about weaning.  They recommend feeding medium quality grass hay to the ewes when weaning the lambs.  What type of grass hay do you recommend that is available in California?  I'm finding mostly Sudan and for a father drive I'm finding orchard grass.  Since I've never purchased grass hay before, what would constitute "medium" quality?

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All Sheep and Lamb Discussion / OG's Egg Drench
« on: March 24, 2016, 09:56:33 am »
Show season is starting up and people will be looking for OG's Egg Drench.  Below is a reply to a post on MyLamb by Gail Christian on his egg drench. 


Sheep1..I will be happy to give the mixing and feeding instructions of the "original egg and honey" drench as given to me by Prater Gibbs about 25 years ago..As I have mentioned on this forum and BW forum several times, Prater stated the original drench was formulated by a football coach at a school where he was teaching..seems the coach had his players drink it as an energy drench..I know my coach had us drink raw eggs and honey before track meets as an energy drink..this would be "old school" today due to the multitude of "power drinks" and supplements that are out there...Here again, this drench can be changed up to fit individual needs and there are many varations of it I'm sure...I added the b-12 to the drench after having used the original formula for several years..B-12 does make it bitter and several shows have now eliminated the use of drench guns, so I have stated that if that be the case to leave the B-12 out of it..The reason I added B-12 to it was I noticed from using B-12 as a vaccine and orally, we got an immediate increase in appetite and a lot of energy, therefore, 2-3 days before shows, we would add it to the drench for added energy...Here is the original list of ingredients and then I will list changes at the end and the reason for the changes...30 eggs, one 12 oz. can of Pet milk,24 oz. of water, 4 oz of Mazzola Brand Corn oil, 4 oz. of honey, 4 oz of chocolate flavored ovaltine. mix ingredients with blender,mixer, or ladle..if using the old original backpack drench gun, you have to mix with blender or the egg whites will stop up the gun..if using the commercial hand held drench gun that you just draw the product up into, you can just mix with mixer or with a ladle..Now for the important information and read this close...Due to the fact that raw egg might possess salamonella bacteria,you should keep the product under refigeration or in an ice chest with ice or extremely cold water..if ice melts, water warms up, then discard the product..Also, because of extensive drug testing on the part of some shows, if you use chocolate flavored ovaltine, it could show up because of the caffeine in chocolate and caffeine is a stimulant..if your show drug test, then we recommend using the decafinated brand..if you cannot find decaf. then use vanilla, strawberry ,etc.but use common sense and read the label to see if it has any caffeine in it.These products are like aspirin, some aspirin has caffeine in it, some does not..you have to read the label...I have recently been telling people to be on the safe side, just leave out the ovaltine and add 2-3 more ounces of honey..The purpose of the chocolate was to give it flavor..the purpose of caffeine was to stimulate or give energy..some people have to have the morning cup of coffee to get their day started...personally, I don't drink coffee, because I am diabetic and caffeine turns other things that I consume into sugar, but sugar equals energy...Feeding instructions..This can really vary due to the frame type and body condition of the animal you are feeding it to(we didn't just feed it to lambs, but to our show barrows and gilts, beef steers and heifers, and meat goats)..on lambs we normally would start it about 7 days before the show, however, it might be longer, or in some cases, only start 3-4 days before the show..again, body type and condition would enter into this..We fed our grain wet to lambs and we used 10 oz. of water, therefore we use 10 oz as a bench mark for the egg mix and instead of putting 10 oz of water on our ration twice per day, we would put 10 oz. of the egg and honey...if lambs needed more than this to retore their tops over the rack and loin, then we simply would drench the mixture..again, using up to 10 oz. per drenching...might use only 3-4 oz. if top and loin was not a problem..On lambs that had some middle, or if we wanted to lower weight classification without wrecking the lamb, we would cut grain ration,usually in half, about 5-7 days before the show, then give the lamb 10 oz of the drench, usually 3-5 times in a 24 hr. period..When you cut grain ration, the first thing you loze is muscle, therefore, you have to compensate this loss with something to restore or maintain the muscle...that is why it sure helped on medium framed, heavily muscle lambs that had a middle..we just cut ration, added egg and honey, hand watered using water with electrolytes in it and middle was no longer a problem..In rare instances, if we gave too much, the lambs might scour, we simply just gave 36 cc of Pepto Bismol or Kaopetec..we used a 12 cc syringe with needle removed to drench with..Now, if their is anyting in Pepto Bismol or Kaopetec that could cause your animal to fail a drug test, I'm not aware of it..But, here agin, I always caution you to use common sense, in this case, contact your veterinarian..A good vet to contact and I'm sure Purple Circle readers would agree would be Dr. Bo Knowles, who writes the "In the know with Dr. Bo" articles for that magazine...I do know this, Pepto and Kao. will dry them up in a hurry..sometimes they might bloat if given large amounts of themixture..again, we would dissolve 3-4 alkaselter tablets in about 2 oz of water, drench and they would go down in about 15 minutes...again, not for sure if alka-seltzer could get you kicked out, therefore, contact your vet....More on usage...if we were jackpotting certain animals frequently, we would give them 10 oz. twice per day over their feed, throughout the feeding period or jackpot season...When I added B-12 to the mixture, I put 35 cc in it..the ingredients will make about one gallon..we stored it in plastic jugs such as milk or juice jugs..and hauled it to shows, usually in 5 gallon plastic containers..we or I should say my FFA moms usually did this mixing while we were clipping lambs...Now to my feelings about this product as compared to other products, especially commercial products...The only commercial product I ever used was a product formulated for human consumption and that being Ensure..We did buy a jug or two of the original showshake that was sold comercially..did not see any added benefits and it was a lot more expensive...Now I want to EMPHASISE, I have nothing against the use of Commercial products..There are many out there and I'm sure some of them are excellent products that help the exhibitor to achieve the success they are looking for..I do not want this to become a debate of egg shake/VS commercial products.. upon my retirement and move to the city, I purchased a computer, at the urging of a little grandson. I became familiar with Breeders World and one day someone posted if anyone knew of any good "homemade" show shake recipes..Since I had used the egg and honey shake with success for many years, I posted the ingredients..since that original posting, I have received over 400 emails concerning this shake..I have answered each one of them to the best of my knowledge and ability..Larry Carter, KyHamp, introduced me to this site, MyLamb, several months ago..I'm very grateful to Larry for telling me about it..It is a forum that can be very benificial to our youth, and their parents, involved in the junior livestock program..We as contributors have to be positive in our comments..we have to tell the truth and sometimes we have to use "constructive critism", but it all has to be from a positive standpoint..I have no secrets..when I was an FFA advisor/breeder, if I heard of something or if I was the originator of an idea and it was legal, and it helped exhibitors/breeders achieve their objective, then I was always willing to share, at no cost..This may or may not be an admirable trait, but this is just the way I am and people who really know me, know this is the truth..In closing, I would hope we can"lie to rest" any debate about the egg shake/VS/Final secret, etc.,because it serves no purpose..If someone ask me how to use the egg shake, I will respond. but I do not want anyone to believe that I think it is the only product out there that is any good..I just have not had any personal experience with the use of the othe products...Fair enough?...gail christian

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